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Comment from: Abernathy [Visitor]
I'm definitely not getting the vaccine and more importantly, I'm not letting my kids get it either. these vaccines are being rushed out, bypassing clinical trials. thimerosal is a proven neurotoxin and very dangerous, with 25,000 times the levels of what would be considered dangerous if it were in food or water. there is plenty of research on this. and i know plenty of people that have had this so-called swine flu.
11/10/09 @ 23:02
Comment from: Michaelbrent Collings [Member] Email
ABERNATHY: sorry mc, going have to click the imaginary 'don't like' button on this one. you make your opponents out to be goons but don't give any substantial facts or evidence. do you really think that the folks that refuse the vaccination are just ignorant? i can't tell which parts of your essay are satire. [reprinted from FB thread with Abernathy]
11/11/09 @ 11:34
Comment from: Michaelbrent Collings [Member] Email
Yes, I do think most of the people that refuse the vaccine are just ignorant. Sadly, I think the same can be said of most major issues and most American's views on them. I think that it is right - critical - to be skeptical of anything that has to do with health or nutrition, but I am also amazed at the high correlation of people who prefer "... Read Moreholistic" therapies with NO real clinical trials or other methodologically sound tests to prove efficacy OR safety, and those who prefer not to receive the vaccine because of something they've heard from an unconfirmed source. Much of this springs from issues that were had in the 80s with vaccinations due to the fact that children were being vaccinated and suddenly turned up with autism. Correlation, and some people took this to mean proof positive that the vaccinations increased the chance of autism. What was overlooked by those people is the fact that autism tends to show itself at around 2 or 3 years of age... the same age as vaccinations really begin. We have numerous evidences of people dying of the swine flu. How many have died - or even reported serious complications - from the vaccine? I have not heard anything other than anecdotal (not empirical, and forget about scientifically or statistically relevant) evidence that anyone has so much as had a high fever.

So as for what was satire and what wasn't... it was all satire. And it was all my point of view, as well.
11/11/09 @ 11:34
Comment from: Michaelbrent Collings [Member] Email
I want you to argue with this doctor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJDMSAaSU0

I want you to argue with this girl:... Read More

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh5F5wP8RdU

For starters, the vaccine hasn't been shown to stop the so-called swine flu!!! What's the rush?? Each time my wife or kids received a flu shot, they got the worst flu of their lives. i don't believe in injecting my body full of toxins, especially neurotoxins and staggering levels of mercury. I know there have been plenty of studies that disprove the autism link, but I'm not arguing about autism. And I really don't see the point of having a debate about which side is more ignorant on this issue. This is obviously an issue that is very personal to the individual, so I'm not sure why you would want to get into it. I would've just kept this to myself but you basically called me ignorant or irresponsible.
In the end, I would respect your opinion if it were delivered with a little more humility and balance. I don't care if you get the shot or not and you should afford me the same respect.[reprinted from FB threat with Abernathy]
11/11/09 @ 11:35
Comment from: Michaelbrent Collings [Member] Email
First of all, I hope that you know I've no intention of "calling you ignorant." Secondly, "My Little Thoughts" is mostly just me vomiting out random observations, so have less than the standard level of research for, say, a med paper.

That being said: best argument against the doc: the newscaster saying he'd interviewed three other docs in three days and ALL of them said they'd give it to their kids. As for the problems with the possible interactions between the vacccine and certain genetic or blood disorders (we've already disproved the autism thing), the question isn't whether there is a link, the question is whether you have a better CHANCE with or without the swine flu. REGULAR flu kills about 36,000 people/year (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm). Worldwide, the number is obviously MUCH higher. Whereas the number of deaths or injury related to interaction between ANY mass market vaccination in the US as compared to the number of deaths or injury related to the disease itself shows a staggering disparity. I'd rather bet that my kids don't have mitochondrial dysfunction (only 50,000 people have it in the US TOTAL - http://www.mindbodyfocused.com/articles/body/fatigue/mitochondrial-disease.php - which means in only two years you have way many more flu fatalities) than that they won't get the flu, particularly not a virulent strain like swine flu.

Best argument against the girl: "Rare, 1 in a million" neurological disfunction. Again. That means that if EVERYONE in the US got the shot, we'd have around 400 people with this problem (if it is, in fact, linked causally to the seasonal flu shot, which the newscast implied but never came out and said... editorial indication that they could not find verification for the implication or you can bet they'd have had a doctor on that intervieww). 400 people with a neurological disorder versus the confirmed THOUSANDS that are saved each year by the flu shot. Additionally, dystopia can be caused by many different factors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystonia), and again, though there was a correlation between her flu shot and the manifestation of her symptoms, there were no sources on that news piece that causally linked them to the shot itself... but saying "She got it because she inherited it as a genetic disorder" may not have been as interesting a take on the story. Leading me to my second response to this piece: its source. Inside Edition. Infotainment, not a great source for legitimate news information.

Finally, on a more personal note: Mark, we're buds and I'm sorry if I pissed you off. I write my blogs with an intent to make people a) laugh, b) think, or c) do a little of both. Unfortunately what may be funny or thought-provoking to me may come off as crass, tasteless, or even "lacking in humility or balance" to you. Sorry to tread your toes, my friend. I do actually believe what I said in the piece - the point of it, anyway - which is that given the actual statistics of cost/benefit ratios to taking the shot versus not taking the shot, it's irresponsible not to if you have the chance. But another person may see it differently. I have my statistics and studies to support my position; others may have their own. And in a week or a month or a year I might come across some study that makes me whack my forehead, cut my kids' arms open, and do my best to suck out the vaccine (my wife will attest that I've been wrong before... the good news is I try to admit it when it happens).

But again, no name-calling intended. Just a laugh and/or some thinking.

Some thinking has occurred here - at least, I've had to look at some more counter-views and see how they stack up against my own, so I'VE been forced to think (and you know I hate that, Mark) - so I guess this column succeeded for me. Whether it did for anyone else I cannot say. But I CAN say I've appreciated your pointing out other viewpoints. If nothing else, it proves that you're still Mark: I've never known you to back down on calling someone an ass when you thought they were being an ass.

So, proud to be your ass of a friend,
Mb

;o)
11/11/09 @ 11:36
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